This to was with evangelical minster Ray Comfort, known to unoccupied his make on the apologist TV let someone in on named The Way of the Master, which featured himself and Kirk Cameron. He is also well-know surrounded aside atheists to unoccupied his egregious banana entreaty to unoccupied the stubbornness of God, in which he claims the banana to be the atheist’s worst nightmare. That video improvise can be viewed here, and there is a response to it here.
The to was promoting Ray Comfort’s newest book; You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can’t Make Him Think: Answers to Questions from Angry Skeptics.
In the log, Comfort uses a noisome Q & A drawing, based on real questions from atheists on his blog at Atheist Central, to kick in with disclose the shortcoming of the atheist’s entreaty, but he does so with pleasingly disposition and warmth.
The to was conducted aside Kevin Swanson, on his present program Generations Radio. According to Ray Comfort’s elders of the church Living Waters, anyway. Swanson is a minister as properly the Executive Director of Christian Home Educators of Colorado, an categorizing that promotes evangelical homeschooling.
The let someone in on starts with Swanson remarking that we are broadcasting in a rank when we are seeing a terrible increase in the incidences of atheism. A out-of-the-way high-quality of words, as it seems he is equating atheism statistics to lawlessness statistics. However, his in any event is fix. He then goes on to maintain that the increase is scheduled to lukewarm, weak, fraud Christians turning atheistic because they are tired of being compromising Christians. There has been a noisome increase in the rates of non-religiosity. It seems he is demanding to descry the entreaty that any Christian who turns into an atheist was in no mode a Christian in the essential develop, a become manifest of the no true-blue Scotsman fallacy.
Then he proceeds to maintain that atheists perturb one’s sureness in themselves to be fixed and that they perturb one’s sureness in no everything else can be fixed. This is only just a ignoramus entreaty.
After this senselessness, he proceeds to kick in with broken a dichotomy, Either fixed exists, and you’re in enormous grief, or fixed doesn’t abide, and you’re only just another percentage of cosmic dust. Believing oneself to be fixed is the appoint of the mentally valetudinarian, not your classic atheist. You’re only just another simulated who’s pretending to be fixed with a congregate of other people who are demanding to be fixed, and you’re only just extremely cosmic dust. This is a become manifest of Pascal’s Wager.
Instead of continuing down the approach of Pascal’s Wager, Swanson goes in an idiotic, indubitably unexpected guiding.
If you’re cosmic dust, then there’s a stoned chances that you don’t neat abide at all. This is the guiding most people conduct, they make their mode into non-existence, because they’d length of not abide and assort with the sickening assure of the stubbornness of God. Once you’ve denied the stubbornness of God, you’ve fairly much adrift the concept of the stubbornness of yourself. Anything but to demand to assort with the genuineness of God.
That’s the mode the frail boldness is, as it’s push off in enmity against God. That’s why we make from atheistic, naturalistic, materialism after all promoting a relativism, and a nihilism. We’re effectively nihilists and relativists almost never. And that’s the guiding post-modern civilization has gone.
Wow, equating atheism with nihilism and post-modernism, neither of which it is remotely associated with. The inactivity I don’t neat demand to footnote on; as the senselessness of people believing they don’t abide is unfasten.
I dream up, hence I am.
Ray Comfort is everything of the most strong evangelists to unoccupied the Christian assurance in America today. effectively depreciative effectively depreciative effectively depreciative effectively – Renй Descartes, philosopher
The next possessions is the pennant evangelical ballyhoo, and a condemnation of weak Christianity.
Swanson introduces Ray Comfort, his client, with this stoned eulogy (for a Christian, anyway) and says the designation of his redone log.
Then it cuts away to a commercial to unoccupied homeschooling, mentorship, family-based economics, and a biblical world-view.
Their homeschooling is religiously motivated, as much of it is in America.
We are then when all is said introduced to Ray Comfort, who opens with an ad hominem salvo against atheists. Unfortunately, this is in general done to unoccupied evangelicals to protect their children from hostile viewpoints, such as those offered aside the Big, Bad Science.
God has premised us six senses; the sixth be guardianship the impression that is collective be guardianship the impression that, and that’s everything the atheist doesn’t avail oneself of.
He’s basically saying God is self-evident. Too deficient he can’t in arrears up this entreaty.
Swanson then proceeds to eulogy Ray’s log, saying he appreciated the worldwide will-power of it. Also, to nitpick, collective be guardianship the impression that isn’t a be guardianship the impression that on endurable with the other five senses. He says he over again Richard Dawkins’ The God Delusion, and observes that atheists demand no be guardianship the impression that of disposition, Ray and that he has in no mode seen Dawkins beam (here’s a video of Dawkins smiling).
Of circuit, no everything of these criticisms as a signification of points demand anything to do with the cheer of the log in query.
Ray explains why atheists in no mode beam is because they’re steaming guardianship the collar at Christianity and God, and that atheists don’t desire to sham that they are vertical creatures. Well, pathetic, energy is a uncommon frail feel, and unless you sham upon it, you’ve done nothing go to the bad.
He then goes on to maintain that Jesus said that looking at a chain with energy means you demand committed adultery in your boldness.
Comfort proceeds to accuse atheists of only just incomplete to alleviate vertical trustworthiness. No, belief alleviates vertical trustworthiness. If you appeal to and sham Jesus, it doesn’t signification what go to the bad you do, you’re all forgiven! But in lieu of of making it up to God, shouldn’t you be making it up to the living psyche you wronged?
Swanson then ponders why atheists are so against a fixed that doesn’t neat abide.
For mould, some Christians match gay rights, and some management makers perturb one’s sureness in the Rapture will-power go on in their lifetime. It’s because our beliefs acquaint our actions, and our actions host other people. Not a motionless mode to descry long-term plans to unoccupied the motionless of a hinterlands, is it?
Comfort then defines an atheist as someone who pretends there’s no God. He quotes Romans 1 to in arrears up his insistence.
Unfortunately to unoccupied him, quoting a log of mostly fiction does not descry something true-blue. This has already been conscientiously answered here.
Here comes the essential actual entreaty, the cosmological entreaty, or the essential attract entreaty.
However, the most pithy answerable to unoccupied to this entreaty is Who created God? Saying God requires no author is a contradiction to the argument; the everything has a attract, God is the essential attract, because God requires no attract. In achieve, you’re saying that the everything doesn’t be exclusive of of a attract, hence making the nonconformist in any event agitated.
A unconvincing caricature is told, and they home-coming reciprocity to the in any event that was made at the commencement of the program, that the elevation in atheism is coming from Christian nations. They maintain that God and Hell demand been taught as facts to unoccupied a thousand years, and that it is but in the definitive age or two that people demand been comme il faut apostates. Just as a side note, America is not a Christian land. Again, as a side note, only just a because push off of beliefs is elderly, doesn’t have in revenant it is true-blue. That is a deductive non sequitur, called the entreaty become manifest antiquity, or the supplicate to practice.
Ray re-iterates the in any event that he believes that all Christians that bend atheist were in no mode Christian in the essential develop, and goes on to maintain there are good atheists and bad atheists. This is indubitably bogus. He says there has been a elevation of bad atheists, who desire to plunder other people of their dexterity to honour fixed. Most atheists truss audacity of belief much more than numerous fundamentalist Christians.
[Bad atheists] flinch from Christmas,
No, we don’t.
Christmas is a earthling, consumer fete almost never.
That’s because all of these things are against the First Amendment of the US Constitution.
they flinch from nativity scenes, they desire under God infatuated broken of the Pledge of Allegiance, they desire in God we trust infatuated broken of our filthy humorous, they’re suing the Gideons to unoccupied giving Bibles broken in schools, they don’t like petitioning in inaugurations, [they took petitioning broken of schools]. It’s too deficient practice seems to nullify the illegality of some of these things.
He then plugs everything of his websites, www.pulltheplugonatheism.com, which exposes atheism and growing to unoccupied what it is.
Swanson then accuses atheism of being against audacity of lecture in some cases. He goes in arrears to the vertical entreaty. This is indubitably improper, and in points, it is fundamentalists in numerous cases that are opposed to audacity of lecture (see: anti-blasphemy laws such as the everything proposed in Ireland).
He represents atheism, growing, gay rights, and reproductive audacity as deficient things. He also calls atheists frivolous and Christians intellectuals, all the while using the damned defective essential attract entreaty.
Swanson then segues to growing, saying it is the unblended grail of the atheist’s assurance.
Many Christians sham growing, and everything of the improvise growing debaters is Kenneth Miller, a reverent Catholic. He’s propagating the cock-and-bull chronicle that Christians can’t sham growing.
Comfort then proceeds to dispose of up straw shackle after straw shackle of growing that demonstrates his culminate paucity of good sense of the unblended concept.
He neat states that growing is intellectual suicide. Ironically, the next possessions he says is The Bible says.[insert creationist cock-and-bull chronicle here].
The two hosts then acquiesce in that there is no affidavit to unoccupied growing. If quoting from an elderly log and claiming that proves your in any event isn’t bookish suicide, I don’t be versed what is. If you desire to learn more in any event the evolution/creation disputation, and the terrible amounts of affidavit to unoccupied growing, cheer call in the TalkOrigins Archive.
Comfort also says there is no transitional fossils. For a index of transitional fossils, pennant broken this FAQ. This is improper, as all fossils are technically transitional forms.
Comfort dismisses all fossils are affidavit of God’s genesis, and says there are no transitional fossils.
Swanson then asks Comfort what the in any event of using arguments when it comes to talking to atheists in any event the stubbornness of fixed. He dismisses using arguments, saying he doesn’t desire to make a plea for to an atheist’s telling-off, but to his be guardianship the impression that of rightist. He says every atheist knows there is a fixed, so there are, in points, no atheists. He then says what is basically what is on his area tenthousanddollaroffer.com.
He says he uses conscience-stricken arguments as bait (probably because they demand no bookish substance), and then he pulls the kill in, which he he says is the Ten Commandments. He says every Tom has ruptured the Ten Commandments and is hence knavish and first to bring out of sight. He says this convinces atheists, even if why anyone would be convinced, I don’t be versed.
Also, it is a deductive non sequitur, entreaty from intensity. Hell, every Tom is.
They both beef that Richard Dawkins says, correctly, that he is more vertical than the fixed of the Old Testament.
After Ray brags in any event the star of his log, Swanson says that atheists are inconsistent with their worldview, because they are vertical without believing in vertical absolutes.
The vertical entreaty is covered here. The puncture with vertical absolutes and vertical laws from fixed is summarized in Plato’s Euthyphro catch-.
Ray Comfort recounts an anecdote in any event his creator, where he advocates beating children to hang them, and also, interestingly, euthanizing animals.
There are numerous ways we untangle morals, and fixed is not everything of them.
Atheist are then accused of context up a straw shackle of God based on Biblical quotes that let someone in on God to be a Simon Legree. He explains that he knows God and so whatever deficient things atheists gust up successfully up with from the Bible is gratuitous.
Basically, clip whatever the Bible says, God is all-loving!
After complaining in any event what the Israelites did in the Old Testament, Comfort makes an justifiable out to unoccupied why God in no mode seems to assist during crises. He also says all the expected disasters are God’s wrath. He says God is tiring America to unoccupied not being Christian sufficiently, aside not apportion during 9/11 and to unoccupied causing the pecuniary half a mo. He says Christians necessary to relieve their implication, etc.
Some more plugging happens, and the to when all is said ends.
Swanson ends the let someone in on with the pennant plugs to unoccupied all of his line, and then it finishes with a commercial to unoccupied a Christian derivation summer camping-site. Hard because there was absolutely so much to goal to, and serenely because Ray Comfort, opposite from other apologists, isn’t indubitably the sharpest fix in the drawer.
In conclusion, this was both distressing and serenely to put down. Arguments don’t signification to him, because he absolutely knows God exists. See entreaty from intimate be casual with.
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